Jeffrey Mishlove interjúja John C. Lilly tudatkutatóval.

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Thinking Allowed

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Conversations On the Leading Edge of Knowledge
and Discovery, with Dr. Jeffrey Mishlove.

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Hello and welcome.
I am Jeffrey Mishlove.

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Today we are going to explore the province of the mind.

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With me is Dr. John C. Lilly, a noted pioneer of
mystical states, of states of consciousness,

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and also interspecies communication.

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Dr. Lilly is a former researcher with the National Institutes
of Health and the Maryland Psychiatric Research Center.

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He is the author of some five books on human-dolphin communication,

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including Lilly on Dolphins, Man and Dolphin, The Mind of
the Dolphin, Communication between Man and Dolphin.

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He has written many books on deep inner exploration,
including The Deep Self, The Center of the Cyclone,

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The Dyadic Cyclone, and The Scientist,
and he is particularly known for Programming

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and Metaprogramming the Human Biocomputer.

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In fact he introduced that term, the biocomputer, into our language.
Welcome, John.

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Thank you.

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It’s a real pleasure to be with you.

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I think it would be good to start with your famous maxim about
what is true in the province of the mind.

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Could you begin by repeating that?

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In the province of the mind what one believes to be true,
either is true or becomes true within certain limits.

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These limits are to be found experimentally and experientially.

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When so found these limits turn out to be further
beliefs to be transcended.

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In the province of the mind there are no limits.
However, in the province of the body

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there are definite limits not to be transcended.

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You’ve probably devoted your whole life,
and certainly many decades recently,

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to pushing to see what really were the limits —
by going into new realities,

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taking on the belief systems of those realities,
and then coming back to your basic working reality

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and challenging those beliefs, integrating those beliefs with your own.

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In your writings you’ve explored almost every state of
consciousness I could imagine —

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the various mystical levels of satori, communication with extraterrestrials,
communication with other species.

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You’ve established probably a more significant mapping of
inner space than almost any

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other modern person, and I think we all owe a great debt to you for that.

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But don’t get stuck with those. I’ve abandoned all of them.

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It’s impossible, because there are infinities within the mind.

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I think that’s the beauty of your work,
is that you keep moving further and further out.

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In The Center of the Cyclone you described a state —
you had a whole system,

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virtually a quantitative system, for mapping states of
consciousness, and you talked

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about one that I found most fascinating,
which you call +3, Mega Samadhi.

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In that state you describe going so far out of your body,
even out of the physical universe,

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to the point of being at the level of essence,
in which the physical universe is created.

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That almost seemed to me, in reading that book,
like an ultimate state of consciousness,

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but I know you wrote about it some fifteen years ago.
How does it look to you now?

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Well, there’s one state beyond +3. That’s +1,
but you’re not allowed to remember

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that once you go into it. It’s union with God.

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That’s the true yoga,

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and so you’re nonhuman,

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so there’s no way you can recount what happened.

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You have no way of saying it, because it’s beyond language.

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Well, all those states are beyond language.

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Language is a very poor instrument to express it.

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In some of your other writings you’ve described language
as being a thin film

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that separates us from reality.

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Much as we try to use language to describe what we mean,
it really puts barriers up.

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Well, there’s one use of language that’s valid.
That’s the injunctive use —

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telling you how to do things.

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The descriptive one’s very poor,

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and William James said that the other realities are separated
from this one by the filmiest of screens.

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I found that this screen is language, so you have to abandon it

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when you’re going to these other realities.

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In addition to +1 and +3, you’ve mapped out +6.

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That’s a state of consciousness, as I recall,
in which the mind can travel

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to any point in physical or nonphysical space.

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But you maintain your individuality.

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That must be a basic mode of the psychic explorer.

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I gather from reading much of your work that you
spent a great deal of time in +6.

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Right, and in +12.

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Plus 12 is the blissful idiot.

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You’re in your body; you’re right here and now,
but everything is happy.

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There’s gold dust particles in the air,
and everything is good.

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You can feel energy moving in and out of
the different psychic centers of the body.

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And if a bird calls, you hear it echoing through the galaxy.

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But that’s not much use,

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unless you can find another bliss being in the same space.

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Many of the mystical teachings warn against getting stuck
in some of these realities.

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Right. I haven’t been in any of them since that time.

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You also refer, in your mapping of states, to +48,

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which is sort of a perfectly neutral state.

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Right. Plus 24 is the professional state of
any discipline that you’re involved in,

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where you’re lost in the discipline.

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Forty-eight is where you’re communicating with everybody else.

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Then there are the minus states, but I don’t go into those.

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No, but at one point you wrote about the importance of going

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into the minus states and remaining perfectly aware,
being conscious

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in those negative states, not trying to block out the negativity.

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You described that, as I recall, as burning karma.

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In The Center of the Cyclone there’s a chapter
called “A Guided Tour of Hell,”

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which is -6.

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That was awful. So I never had to go back to that.

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And I was never frightened again.

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I was totally terrified in that one.

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I suppose it’s what the Christian mystics sometimes refer to

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as the dark night of the soul.

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Well, it was the dark night of my soul.

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Perhaps this is a necessary part of everybody’s journey,

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is to go through the epitome of terror.

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Right. For instance, there’s an Iranian psychiatrist,
an American psychiatrist,

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that put a hundred patients in a mental hospital in Iran through

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what they feared most, on Ketamine, and they all left the hospital.

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Now, I tried the same thing, after I read that.

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That evening I took 150 milligrams of Ketamine, and suddenly

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the Earth Coincidence Control Office removed my penis
and handed it to me.

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I screamed in terror.

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My wife Toni came running in from the bedroom,

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and she said, “It’s still attached.”

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So I shouted at the ceiling,

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“Who’s in charge up there? A bunch of crazy kids?”

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The answer came back, “Well, you had an unconscious fear,

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so we put you through it,
just the way the Iranian psychiatrist did.”

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In the realm of the mind, the province of the mind,
we can face all our fears.

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Well, you may not be able to live with it,
but you should try it.

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I often find in dreams that the things that
would destroy the body,

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in the realm of the mind, don’t.

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That’s right.

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The survival programs, as I found out earlier
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are built into the brain.

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The rewarding systems, euphoric systems,
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and the painful, punishing, anger systems are all built in.

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And then you realize that the cerebral cortex
has many, many paths

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to these systems and from these systems,
so you don’t have to go through these states.

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Let’s focus a little bit on some of the terms
you mentioned a moment ago.

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You mentioned Ketamine. What is Ketamine?

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Ketamine is the most commonly used anesthetic for
very young children and old people.

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In the literature there are emergence symptoms that are described,

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emergence being coming out of the anesthetic.

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Some doctors don’t like those emergence symptoms,
so they won’t use it.

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Others know what they are, so they just hold the hand
of the patient and help him come out.

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It was the most commonly used anesthetic in Vietnam.

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Some places won’t use it at all, but are frightened of it.

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Basically, what a strong dose of Ketamine will do is
make you unaware of your body.

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Yes, it can.

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I don’t like it anymore.

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But it creates a state where one can enter into inner realitiess

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free from the attachments of the body.

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ECCO told me to stop using it,

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and get back here and learn how to be human.

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In your book The Scientist you describe going through a period

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of very intensive explorations with Vitamin K,
as you described it at that point —

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to the extent that people thought you were —

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and it’s not clear to me whether you were or not —
addicted to the substance.

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Well, when one is doing research on a substance,
one takes it so frequently

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that outside observers can say you’re addicted,

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but that’s a very bad definition of addiction.

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I think in many ways whether you were or weren’t,

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one has to admire your willingness to always push
the frontiers of our knowledge further,

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and it’s clear that that was your motivation for the work that you did.

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Any good research is obsessive and compulsive.

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You also mentioned the term ECCO.

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What is ECCO?

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E-C-C-O. In Italian it means, “This is it.”

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But it means to me the Earth Coincidence Control Office,

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which is one of God’s field offices.

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ECCO runs our lives, though we won’t admit it.

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If you’re an ECCO agent, you can be very, very careful

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to use your best intelligence in ECCO’s service,

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and you realize there are no discoveries, there are only revelations.

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That was a come-down for me as a scientist.

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Well, I’ve found in my own work in the media and parapsychology,

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that I’m very much guided by coincidences.

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– Right.
– And I guess it’s looking to coincidences as

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signs along the way that defines this relationship with
what you’ve defined as ECCO.

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Right, the Earth Coincidence Control.

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It’s coincidence control that they do, and they say,

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“We control the long-term coincidences;
you control the short-term ones.

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And when you find out how we do the long-term ones,

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you no longer have to remain on earth;
you don’t have to return there.”

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It seems to me as if your concept of ECCO is
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behind what Jung has defined as synchronocity.

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That’s right. Jung defined synchronicity
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in his introduction to the I Ching,
and he uses the term…

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coincidences.

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Meaningful coincidences.

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But of course the coincidences are in your own construction,

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your own language construction of the events.

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So that’s all a fake too.

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As I say at the beginning of my workshops,

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“Everything I say here is a lie

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— bullshit, in other words —

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because anything that you put in words is not experience,
is not the experiment.

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It’s a representation — a misrepresentation.”

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And here we are misrepresenting to each other in order
that we can learn from these lies.

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Right. Now if you use language injunctively,
as a set of directions,

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then it’s not as bad as it is otherwise.

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So in other words, for example,
when you talk about ECCO,

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when you talk about perhaps going into
an inner reality using sensory isolation,

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which is one of the other technologies in which you pioneered —

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In 1954, I invented it.

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Or using a number of different molecules
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or mystical disciplines — when one enters into these realities,

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each set of instructions carries with it usually a belief system.

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– Right.
– And basically what you’re saying is
that all of these belief systems are wrong,

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but one needs to entertain or to hold the belief system

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in order to follow through the instructions.

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Our brains are so small we have to do this.

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So the belief system itself becomes a tool that we work with,

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and then eventually we have to let go of.
– Right.

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And using these belief systems,
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of inner space in a manner which has as rich and varied
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as one would find on any continent,

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But if you take the same kinds of trips,

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you’ll find a different flora and fauna at different times.
– Each time.

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So in the province of the mind there aren’t any limits.

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And yet if one pushes that very, very far,

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I guess no limits almost means nothing.
There’s nothing there.

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Limits is what defines things, it’s what creates form.

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I hadn’t thought of it that way.

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Well, there are no limits that you put on it previously,

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and new limits may appear,

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which define it in an entirely new way,
which is much larger.

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That’s all that means.

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I almost have the sense, though,
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that we humans and other beings create limits
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to make the game worth playing.

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Well, you can’t live as a human without limits,

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and that’s your body. They’re built into your brain.

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The pattern recognition system is in your brain, for instance.

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If one hallucinates, say, on cocaine,
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an old lady crying with a shawl over her head.
You walk over and it’s a bush.

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Now if somebody else is on cocaine and they look
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they’ll see the old lady crying.

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So this apparently is pattern recognition systems that
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and are given at birth probably.

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In other words, in certain altered states of consciousness,

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there is an ability, I suppose, to be telepathic,
to cognize the thoughts directly of another person.

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I think it’s more than that.

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It’s a particularly noisy pattern of the bush,
in striking your brain, is reorganized,

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personified by the brain.

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All brains do the same thing, even if you’re not
in telepathic communication.

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So you have an alternate there.
Do you know about alternity?

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Alternity, that’s a wonderful word. No.

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I experienced alternity very dramatically when I came back from Chile.

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I sat in Elizabeth Campbell’s living room in Los Angeles,

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in what I call the prophet meditation.

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— sitting on the floor, my spine ramrod straight.

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Suddenly a line of light comes down through my spine,

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and there are leaves of different realities all around me.

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I can look into the future, and the present is here
in each of those as it goes on

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out to many years from now, and goes to infinity upwards.

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There’s a tremendous amount of power going through this.

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Well, the next morning I was thrown out of bed by
the Sylmar earthquake, and I thought,

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“Gee, did I cause that? Or was it caused by
the same energy that went through me?”

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And then I realized that this was hubris —

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he whom the gods would destroy, he has hubris.

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Filled with pride.

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And so I lost my pride, and I realized that I couldn’t
explain either of them.

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Alternity, as you’ve described it, then,
would seem to be a space

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in which you’re in touch with many alternate realities,
all simultaneously.

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Yes, and then you get caught with one, as I did.

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It seems very similar in a way to what physicists
are describing when they

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talk about the multiple-universe interpretation of quantum physics.

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That’s right.

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Francis Jeffreys is writing my biography,
and he describes alternity

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from the wave function of quantum mechanics,
and when you collapse it

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you’ve chosen one alternate in future.

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You’ve referred several times now to the fact that
in the province of the body

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there are limits, and you yourself have thrown yourself
up against those limits

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on many occasions and have written about it.

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In your writing you seem to be warning people maybe
not to do everything that you’ve done.

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That’s right. They don’t have to.

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See this hand? I have to keep it in ointment,

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because on 11-11-87 I drove my car up a slight bank,
turned it over, and totaled it.

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The battery acid burned this hand,
and these knuckles were broken, and that’s all.

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If I’d had my seat belt on I would have been decapitated.

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But ECCO was showing me something,

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that I wasn’t exploring alternatesss properly.

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I was caught with one.

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There’s a wonderful section in your book The Scientist,

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in which you describe a conversation amongst different
beings in an altered state,

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who are describing how carefully they worked
to create all the coincidences

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so that you could have an accident in which
you nearly died,

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and were resuscitated by your wife Toni

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who had just learned mouth-to-mouth resuscitation three days earlier.

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Right.

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Then the other accident, the one that closed off Vitamin K for me,

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where I was on a ten-speed bicycle going down Decker Canyon Road,

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and the chain caught, and I hit the road and nine bones were broken.

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But I didn’t say in The Scientist that I was on PCP at the time,

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forty-two milligrams injected.

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So I was out in the hospital for five days and five nights,

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and was taken by ECCO to planets that were being destroyed

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by supernova waves, by atomic warfare, and so on.

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It was incredible.

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When I’d try to come back here, I’d come back and Toni would be there

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and I’d grab on for six or seven hours,
then they’d take me back out.

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I hadn’t finished the lessons.

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What do you think the lesson is?

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Well, the lesson in that case was,
“Look up the dose for PCP before you take any.”

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It’s two milligrams, not forty-two.

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And the other lessons, of course,

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were that I came back and wanted to put on radiation suits.

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This planet is not very stable. It can be destroyed at any time.

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There’s a sense in the way in which you live your life,

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right out on the very edge of what would
be called not just normalcy,

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or the edge of what is conventionally safe to do,

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but the very edge of what is physically possible
for a human being to do —

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Going to the limits of the body.

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And in so doing — well, of course you’ve discovered,

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like the Fool in the Tarot deck,

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you put yourself into this position of nascent wisdom,

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in which you’re bound to make mistakes.

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One can’t explore the way you have without making mistakes,

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and yet those very mistakes seem to propel you even deeper.

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I have a saying, “There are no mistakes,
there are only correctable errors.

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There are no errors, there are only alternate programs.”

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They just get the guilt.

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There is a sense in which you have lived your life on the internal reality,

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that I almost feel like your being with me here in a TV studio is like

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you’ve come up for air a little bit to breathe together with us,

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and to share what it’s like in these vast, vast realms,

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light years away from planetside reality.

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I call that in-sanity, and when we’re talking together we’re in out-sanity.

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And you should never try to express all of
your in-sanity in the out-sanity,

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or they’ll lock you up.

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But in a way you’ve expressed more of your in-sanity

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than most people would ever dare to.

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Well, a lot of people take my books as permission

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to go further with that.

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One would almost think an entire generation,

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perhaps several generations of people, now feel much freer

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to describe their own inner experiences because of people like you

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doing it at a time when it was much riskier.

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I’m always surprised at how many people have read my books

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and been influenced by them.

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Well, I can certainly say that that’s the case for me.

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I think you’ll like the new edition of The Scientist.

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It has all the things I left out of the first one,
seventy-five new pages in it,

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and fifty new photographs.

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And I admit that it was Ketamine, not Vitamin K.

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But you’re not using Ketamine currently.
-No.

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I don’t like it anymore.

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Are you still doing work in sensory isolation?

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Once in a while. But I never talk about what I’m doing currently.

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Remember Human Biocomputer?
I was doing that work with LSD in the tank

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in St. Thomas, and the National Institute of Mental Health,

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from which I was on a fellowship,
thought I was just working with dolphins.

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So when I sent them Human Biocomputer as the report

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for five years of the fellowship, they wrote back,

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“We didn’t realize we were going to get a monograph from this work.”

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I don’t think they read it.
– And they cut off your funding

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shortly thereafter, didn’t they?

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Yes. Somebody told the people supporting the dolphin research

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that I had brain damage from LSD.

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Well, I got that rumor,

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so I took it to the head of the Mental Health Council
that was supporting the work.

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He was the head of the Neurological Institute in New York,

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and he got angry when they said that,
so he spent three days examining me.

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I never had such a thorough examination.

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He got angrier and angrier.
He said, “Absolutely no evidence.”

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He said, “Do you want any more research money?”

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I said, “No, I’ve quit that.” So he said,

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“All right, I’m going to fire two people,
one in the Institute and one on my committee.”

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So he did.

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Well, I suppose for our culture the really special thing about you is the fact

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that you really have a foot in both worlds,
the scientific camp and the mystical camp.

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And in a way you seem dissatisfied with both of them.

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Neither camp seems to provide an adequate enough model of reality for you.

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My own beliefs are unbelievable.

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And you seem to be saying that it’s up to each person to

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in effect make the same bridge that you have,

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and to create their own belief system,
so that in creating that belief

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they can move into the state that that belief leads them to,
so that they can then discard it again.

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That’s the gnostic point of view — self transcendence,

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not transcendence through a church or a group.

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Back fifteen years ago or so, you were exploring the mystical states,

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as described classically as the various levels of samadhi,

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in your work with Oscar Ichazo in Chile, in the Arica school.
– Right.

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You had achieved, as we have described earlier,

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some of the very highest states of those mystical traditions,

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and you wrote about them from your own personal experience.

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People in the mystical traditions view these states as being ultimate states.

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I get the sense that you don’t think of them that way.

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You think of them more the way a scientist would look at tools.

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Well, Patanjali, for instance, in 400 B.C. said,

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“When you reach the highest form of samadhi,
you realize there are hundreds more beyond that.”

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I agree; there’s no limit.

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Well, John Lilly, it’s been a pleasure having you with me.

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Thank you very much.
– Thank you. It’s a pleasure being here.

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You sure do know how to ask the right questions.